Is it because an educated population is usually more liberal? Or does it have something to do with the liberal/socialist/commie/ fascist agenda that I keep hearing about from the right but never see in reality?
Isn’t it funny how the same people here who are denouncing the legality or efficiency of the Federal Department of Education are probably the same ones who championed Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act?
In other words, they don’t want the DoE unless it can be run their way, right?
Problem was that NCLB was another unfunded mandate. The result was more standardized testing, teaching to the tests and less instructional time.
In many cases, it did exactly the opposite of what it claimed it would.
It should have been called Every Child Left Behind.
But then, that is the Conservative approach to education. Wreck the public schools with legislation like NCLB so that American voters will grow to like the idea of private schools.
Problem with that is that private schools don’t have to take everyone. Thus, any comparison between public and private is apples to oranges in nature.
The public school system does great considering what resources it has and what its goals are.
Can anyone think of a better way to take children who speak many different languages and come from many different socio-economic backgrounds and educational abilities and teach them state standards?
Private schools will never be able to do that. Never.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Look around: we don’t have a quality educated population.
I don’t think that educated people are more liberal. I think young and naive people who just finished college and think they are educated tend to be more liberal.
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February 27th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
It is because Monopolies are supposed to be illegal. If there is no competition, prices go up and quality suffers.
The US spends the more per student than every other country in the world. We are nowhere near number one in test scores.
Q.E.D.
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February 27th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Have you seen how terrible public school is? They don’t seem to know what they’re doing, their only solution is to throw more money at it. Private schools can give you better results with LESS funding. We need to clean up the system…
Edit: Anyone who says underfunding is the problem hasn’t noticed the massive spending we have started with the No Child Left Behind Act in 2001,2002…
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Been to BOTH private and public school
February 27th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
There’s a Department for that?
*Looks around*
Hell, I’m mad at them too!
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February 27th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
I admit our public education system has some significant flaws; however, most of it comes from underfunding. And where would we get the money to improve the system? Oh noooooo, taxes!!1one!
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February 28th, 2010 at 12:02 am
We should eliminate the Department of Education. The Constitution doesn’t authorize a Department of Education. Public education used to be left up to the states and at the local level. The No Child Left Behind Act pushed us very close toward complete nationalization of K-12 education. As taxpayers, we send billions of dollars to Washington and get back much less than we sent. The money would be much better off left in states and local communities.
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February 28th, 2010 at 12:40 am
Because, It seems to have failed most of them
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February 28th, 2010 at 1:12 am
Their ideology is largely based on keeping people afraid. And it’s far easier to instill fear in the uneducated.
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February 28th, 2010 at 1:51 am
It’s because education is one of those government programs that’s best done as close to the citizen as possible.
In other words, the existence of a federal Department of Education is redundant, since we already have fifty state departments of education.
Every dollar spent to keep the US Department of Education running is a dollar taken out of our childrens classrooms.
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February 28th, 2010 at 2:20 am
Its redundant, many of the jobs the DOE does is repeated at state level. The money saved would be better spent on actual teachers and not on Bureaucrats
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Notice how every liberal comment on here isnt subsantaive? Its more or less some narrow minded narative or attack. And yet we keep going to them for Ideas?
February 28th, 2010 at 2:28 am
They could care less about the people. Now if you want the principle to make more money,,they are for that.
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February 28th, 2010 at 2:44 am
No, it’s because the teachers suck, the curriculum sucks, and yes, they have a liberal agenda that your selective sight/hearing haven’t enabled you to "see" yet….or probably ever.
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February 28th, 2010 at 3:01 am
I have a problem with it because the Federal government can not address the needs of each individual student. Only when the school is controlled by the local communities can the needs of the individual be addressed.
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February 28th, 2010 at 3:12 am
Education is bad for Republicans. See there are only two kinds of Republican:
1) Educated rich white guy (2%)
2) Poor white unemployed rednecks who believe everything the rich guy tells them (98%)
Reagan’s "big tent" has been reduced to a chinese made pup tent bought at wal mart.
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February 28th, 2010 at 3:25 am
An educated person will inevitably question connies’ policies and motives and become a thorn.
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February 28th, 2010 at 4:11 am
It’s because many conservatives are spoon-fed by the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity, who never went to college but have a lifetime of resentment against higher learning because their lack of formal educator has made their climb up the career ladder more difficult. Those guys claim college is nothing but liberal indoctrination, even though they never experienced for themselves. The Department of Education is hated as double-whammy, one part for representing colleges and universities and one part for representing big government.
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February 28th, 2010 at 4:22 am
I really havn’t heard of any conservatives upset at the Department of Education…. I guess that if any have a problem it would be the tea-baggers because they seem to hate educated people or ridicule their credentials but that segment does not represent all conservatives.
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February 28th, 2010 at 4:50 am
We have a problem with the Dept of Education because education has gone completely downhill since it was formed.
Why are Democrats so against allowing our children to attend more successful private schools, where the dropout rate is nearly ZERO, graduation rates over 90%, and the number of those who go on to college is double those from public school?
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February 28th, 2010 at 5:28 am
Please read Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, and tell me where anything remotely related to education appears.
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February 28th, 2010 at 5:55 am
No, it’s because public schools are funded primarily by their prospective state, and the Department of Education is a federal entity that does very little. Basically, it’s a waste of time and money.
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February 28th, 2010 at 6:17 am
how about we keep dropping in the world as far as education goes? is that enough to not like it? how about the fact we pay teachers to not teach because they cannot be fired because of some crappy union who is doing more harm than good. every one knows the indoctrination does not start until college, full force that is. and if you do not see any of that stuff, you are either blind or looking the other way intentionally. even owe-bamas strongest supporters see the bias. it is one thing to support a person, it is totally different to do it based on false facts and ignorance.
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February 28th, 2010 at 6:34 am
The Department of Education spends billions and educates no one
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February 28th, 2010 at 6:50 am
We have a terrible educational system. Thanks, liberals!
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February 28th, 2010 at 7:00 am
I don’t have anything against the dept of education, but I wish they teach full history, instead of manipulating children to be Good little Democrats.
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February 28th, 2010 at 7:10 am
LOL. The liberal population is more educated? LOL!
First of all, what is your question? Why do say conservatives have a problem with the Department of Education?
Second, look up the definition of Socialism, and look a little harder at what the Dems are trying to do. It isn’t reality yet, but they are sure trying.
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February 28th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Education is a state issue, not a Federal one. Read your Constitution; the one that the DOE pretty much has schools just kinda ‘gloss-over’ these days.
Ask yourself; why has our populace been so dumbed-down since it was created? Hmmmmm?
The entire purpose is for the Fed to exert more of it’s jackboot heel over the authority of local government, and to extort more money out of the people. That goes for many of the redundant agencies in Washington.
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February 28th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Actually, when more students go through public education, the population becomes less educated. Schools don’t really teach people critical thinking and responsibility. If they did, there would be a lot less criminals, druggies, single parents, unemployed, uninsured, poor, and of course liberals.
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February 28th, 2010 at 8:05 am
No, Most educated people are actually conservative. Look it up. The problem is that the Dept of Education does not do its job efficiently. They spend more money per student then private schools and have worse performance. I recently moved from a state where they paid over $10,000 per student and still did not have enough textbooks for all the students. Where does all the money go?
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February 28th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Isn’t it funny how the same people here who are denouncing the legality or efficiency of the Federal Department of Education are probably the same ones who championed Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act?
In other words, they don’t want the DoE unless it can be run their way, right?
Problem was that NCLB was another unfunded mandate. The result was more standardized testing, teaching to the tests and less instructional time.
In many cases, it did exactly the opposite of what it claimed it would.
It should have been called Every Child Left Behind.
But then, that is the Conservative approach to education. Wreck the public schools with legislation like NCLB so that American voters will grow to like the idea of private schools.
Problem with that is that private schools don’t have to take everyone. Thus, any comparison between public and private is apples to oranges in nature.
The public school system does great considering what resources it has and what its goals are.
Can anyone think of a better way to take children who speak many different languages and come from many different socio-economic backgrounds and educational abilities and teach them state standards?
Private schools will never be able to do that. Never.
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February 28th, 2010 at 9:27 am
NEA is marxist. google Frankfort – John Dewey
Who won the Cold War? That’s a no-brainer. The United States prevailed while the Soviet Union collapsed, and the People’s Republic of China dumped Marxism; capitalism (free markets and private property) triumphed over socialism (centrally planned markets and state-owned property); an ethos of individual rights proved to be more resilient and healthy than collectivist ideology; relatively small, democratic government clearly was demonstrated to help a society prosper far more effectively than elitist Big Government.
How ironic, then, that voices in Russia and China are mocking our current Big Government policies. Those whose countries took the tragic, impoverishing detour through Big Government hell now react with scorn and derision as we Americans charge headlong down that same path. What an amazing spectacle it must be for them to see the victor of the Cold War borrow many pages from the losers’ playbook.
To read a startling indictment of the American predicament, Google the words “American capitalism gone with a whimper,” the title of an article by Stanislav Mishin. The author writes, “the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath-taking speed.”
This decline has happened because, according to Mishin, “the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education” that produced millions of Americans who “know more about their favorite TV dramas than the drama in D.C. that directly affects their lives.” Mishin also faults the widespread abandonment of Christ’s religion in America, our loss of faith. This is the cultural backdrop for a political system that has culminated in Barack Obama’s unprecedented “spending and money printing.” Mishin believes that, under Obamanomics, “America at best will resemble the Weimar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.”
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February 28th, 2010 at 10:13 am
My issue with the education system stems from walking up to kids or young adults on the street and asking basic history and they have no clue, or basic geography and they have no clue, or have them try to make change with out a cash register or calculator but they know how Great socialism and communism is or who stared in the latest block buster movie.
As just one of many examples, I was stationed at a deactivated Nike base and one soldier comes up to me and wants to know (not jokingly) if they made shoes there.
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February 28th, 2010 at 10:36 am
No, it is because education is a local initiative. No one in Washington can fix a problem or improve the schools in Glen Allen, Virginia in any way. Only the people in Glen Allen, Henrico County and possibly the State of Virginia can do this. As a result, a federal department of education is an ineffective waste of time and money.
But it is interesting that you assign a political motive to our thinking this way. I wonder if you aren’t projecting just a bit.
By the way, I’m a conservative and currently half way through my PhD in engineering. I support education, but I do not support inefficiency and fiscal waste. Guess that’s why I’m a conservative.
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February 28th, 2010 at 10:47 am
"By 1940, the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites, 80 percent for blacks. Notice that for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were nevertheless literate. Six decades later, at the end of the twentieth century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can’t read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled. Before you think of anything else in regard to these numbers, think of this: we spend three to four times as much real money on schooling as we did sixty years ago, but sixty years ago virtually everyone, black or white, could read."
The Underground History of American Education – John Taylor Gatto
The thesis of the book is that state education makes you dumber. It is modeled after Hindu schooling, which was explicitly designed to do that. Subject matter is watered down which prevents you actually learning much. The simple, effective, technique of teaching children the sounds associated with letters has been abandoned in favour of methods which don’t work very well. Children are forced to attend, although literacy and numeracy was actually near 100% before state education existed and has gone down ever since..
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http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm